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United States
November 7, 2007
This site is a bit cumbersome to navigate.
Any Neil Young stuff is cool with me Stan
I'd also like to give Traffic's version of "John Barleycorn Must Die" in both 1st and 7th positions a try. I think that would sound cool with multiple guitars. If I recall correctly, we attempted this over a year ago back when Dom was a regular, but never really gave it a serious attempt. The 7th position chords are a bit cramped, but it sounds great.
Here are the chords for both positions. If the format is screwed up here, it should be OK in your email (hopefully)
Not sure about you guys, but I find myself looking less and less at WHERE the chord changes are. I still need to refresh myself now and then, but I can usually hear where the changes are. In this case they sound more complicated than they are.
~title: john barleycorn must die, as done by traffic no capo
intro: same as the first line (twice?) w/ some finger stuff (tab is
tbd)
A Em G D Em ( tab 1 - ->)
there were three men came out of the west
A G D Em ( tab 2 - ->)
their for- tunes for to try
A Em G D Em ( tab 1 - ->)
and these three men made a so- lemn vow
A G D Em ( tab 2 - ->)
john barley- corn must die
G D Em ( no tab - ->)
they've plowed they've sewn, they've harrow'd him in
G a B(4) (sync. strum to end) B B4
B B4 B
threw clods up- on his head
A Em G D Em ( tab 1 - ->)
and these three men made a so- lemn vow
A G D Em ( tab 2 - ->)
john barley- corn was dead
(use intro tab (w/ flute :) for between verses filler)
comments on the chords: B(4) is Bsus4 (224452) and i play the B as an
A two frets up (224442). the strumming pattern for the B chords is a
syncopated pattern. listen to the song, it's easy to play...
the rest of the verses follow the same pattern, and i don't have the
rest of the words (or the song to transcribe from) with me. :(
comments? please feel free to correct anything i botched and provide
~From: almanb@sr.hp.com (Bob Alman)
John Barleycorn (Traffic version)
capo 7th fret (chords relative)
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D Am C G Am A5 Am A5
There were three men came out of the west
D C Am G Am A5 Am A5
Their fortunes for to try
D Am C G Am A5 Am A5
And these three men made a solemn vow
D C Am G Am A5 Am A5
John Barleycorn must die
C Am Am7 Am
They've plowed, they've sown, the've harrowed him in
C D Esus4 E Esus4 E
Threw clods upon his head
Dm Am C G Am A5 Am A5
And these three men were satisfied
D C Am G Am A5 Am A5
John Barleycorn was dead
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D Am C G Am A5 Am A5
They let him lie for a very long time
D C Am G Am A5 Am A5
Till the rains from heaven did fall
D Am C G Am A5 Am A5
And little Sir John sprung up his head
D C Am G Am A5 Am A5
And so amazed them all
C Am Am7 Am
They let him stand 'til mid summer's day
C D Esus4 E Esus4 E
'til he looked both pale and worn
Dm Am C G Am A5 Am A5
And little Sir John's grown a long, long beard
D C Am G Am A5 Am A5
And so become a man
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D Am C G Am A5 Am A5
They've hired men with scythes so sharp
D C Am G Am A5 Am A5
To cut him off at the knee
D Am C G Am A5 Am A5
They rolled him and tied him by the waist
D C Am G Am A5 Am A5
Serving him most barbarously
C Am Am7 Am
They've hired men with sharp pitch forks
C D Esus4 E Esus4 E
Who pricked him to the heart...
Dm Am C G Am A5 Am A5
And the loader he has served him worse than that
D C Am G Am A5 Am A5
For he's bound him to the cart
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D Am C G Am A5 Am A5
They've wheeled him around and around in the field
D C Am G Am A5 Am A5
'til they came onto a barn
D Am C G Am A5 Am A5
And there they made a solemn oath
D C Am G Am A5 Am A5
On poor John Barleycorn
C Am Am7 Am
They've hired men with the crab tree sticks
C D Esus4 E Esus4 E
to cut him skin from bone
Dm Am C G Am A5 Am A5
And the miller he has served him worse than that
D C Am G Am A5 Am A5
For he's ground him between two stones
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D C G Am A5 Am A5
D Am C G Am A5 Am A5
And little Sir John and the nut brown bowl
D C Am G Am A5 Am A5
And he's brandy in the glass
D Am C G Am A5 Am A5
And little Sir John and the nut brown bowl
D Am G Am A5 Am A5
Proved the strongest man at last
C Am Am7 Am
The huntsman, he can't hunt the fox
C D Esus4 E Esus4 E
Nor so loudly blow his horn
Dm Am C G Am A5 Am A5
And the Tinker he can't mend kettle nor pots
D Am G A5
Without a little Barlycorn
CHORDS:
EADGBE
Esus4 O222OO
A5 OO22OO or Asus2
Am7 OO2O1O
United States
November 5, 2007
By the way, the owners of the site are very open to comments and suggestions. They are eager to make the site user friendly, so please email them (or me, and I'll pass it on) with any concerns on finding you ways around or specific problems or suggestions and I wouldn't be surprised if they make changes in the near future.
United States
November 21, 2007
The forum doesn't seem to work like other forums. I was looking for the thread referencing Father's Day weekend, and couldn't find it. Is this because there are two types of group messages -- one that appears in the forum, and one that just goes out to the group without being saved?
Anyway, my appearance tomorrow was dependent on my being able to leave work by 3pm today to run errands. However it's now 7:30 and I'm still at work. Sorry to back out again, but there are some things that I have to do, and I can only do them tomorrow morning. When I attend the jam I leave town at 8am and get home after 4 -- impossible to go to the bank, post office, barber, etc. And they're all closed on Sunday. I was really looking forward to this one. It looks like there's already a good variety of music on the setlist.
Just out of curiosity, would it ever be possible to hold a jam on a Sunday? Then I could run all my errands the day before. Also, I'd be happy to host a jam in Philadelphia someday. A friend of mine has some studio space in West Philly that we can use. I have to confess that the $40 in gas and tolls is becoming harder for me to swallow, even on a monthly basis. These are just ideas. I know the Jersey Jam is a tradition that goes way back before my involvement. Anyway, I hope you all have a good time tomorrow.
Patrick
United States
November 7, 2007
I couldn't find the original thread either Patrick. The only way I can seem to find any of the threads to respond to them is from the link attached to the emails. From this site, I'm lost.
I just sent out an email to the Folk Jam people per Andy's suggestion.
Sorry you can't make it tomorrow Patrick. I had no idea you were schlepping out this way from Philly !
I just got a phone call from Stan. He thought the jam was NEXT week. Hopefully he'll get my message and we'll see him tomorrow.
ken
United States
March 23, 2006
Andy is right, we do listen and incorporate as much as we have time to do. I'm bummed that you are having trouble getting around the site, but also very happy that you stick with us as we grow and refine what we've got in place.
There is a way for Andy, as the group owner, to send out a message that does not end up in the group forum at all. I'm this close (holds fingers right next to eachother) to simply disabling that "email to all group members" functionality that the admin has.
But I don't know if Andy is using that or not. It strikes me that perhaps the difference between comments on event posts and forum topics in groups - both of which get mailed out - is the confusion here. What were you looking for that was hard to find? Can you send me the link?
I've been very slow with changes in the past few months - just going through a stint where my family needs me more and I cannot be up until late hours coding. Same with Shawn, but for different job related reasons. We are still busy working away, but our rate of progress is slowed.
I'm happy that you are using the site to coordinate the Jersey Jam, and do hope to drop in to join you eventually on a trip back to visit parents.
If you are willing, give me links to things that you were looking for that were lost or really hard to find. A description of where you looked would be helpful, but just do what you are willing to put some time into.
I have not forgotten that I said I'd get better formatting for posts that contain lyrics and chords. I said that just about when my wife's back began to act up in new ways, and I've simply not managed the time. I'll get it done!
Scott
folkjam co-founder.
United States
November 5, 2007
Hi Scott,
I don't use the email feature for any jam-related stuff. I'm certain that the posts that are hard for everyone to find are the ones attached to the event itself, as opposed to a forum topic post.
I'm not sure how to find an event by navigating the group, only by using the map, the calendar or an existing email link.
And I don't know anyway to find a PREVIOUS event or it's attached posts, other than using an existing email link.
I suspect that's the main source of confusion. I can probably mitigate it by not attaching discussions to the event at all, but it is disorienting, since when you'r posting a reply, it's not clear what the difference is.
Here's the current (until after today, anyway!) event and thread that is causing the confusion:
http://www.folkjam.org/group/jersey-jam/14-jun-2008/jersey-jam-31-happy-...
ApK
United States
March 23, 2006
Then I think I have an idea that will help. I've treated events and forum posts in a group as behaving differently - but in a sense they are really the same thing when it comes to the comment thread below them. If the main page of the group were primarily a chronological list of 'topics' in the group, smoothly blending events and forum posts, would that simplify things?
Scott
United States
March 23, 2006
Over the last few days I've made a bunch of invisible changes to groups on folkjam in preparation for making some of the visual changes Andy and others in your group have recommended.
If you see bad behavior here as you use your group, please do notify me through a site private message.
Now I'm starting in on the actual layout changes with an aim of making the group forum a little simpler.
As a side note, I'm looking to see if I can drop in on your jam on the 12th. The timing looks to be against me as I'll wake up in Mahwah but need to be in Milford, PA by 1pm. Mahwah to Fords, play music, then back to Mahwah and then on to Milford probably won't fly. But I'm trying to make the case with my wife. :)
Scott
United States
November 19, 2007
hey Ken..i think john barleycorn would be a great one..
United States
November 7, 2007
Then how do we know you really even MADE them ? ;-)
United States
March 23, 2006
That's what bugs in software are for - to reveal the hidden changes.
Some visible changes just went up a few moments ago.
Posts for a jam date and forum topics are now treated identically in the forum. Active ones will bubble up to the top of the list. I've cleaned up a little, removing the 'created' column. Gone too is the 'new members' display at the bottom of the group's front page. I figured I'd remove it to see if anybody complained while I was working to simplify the group home pages.
Shoot me feedback on what works and does not work via private messages on the site.
Placing local groups on the front page is bound up in other work I'm doing to rework how the site's front page looks. I think that will help you find your group when you visit the site, reducing or eliminating the need to save off old email notifications of forum posts just to get back into the Jersey Jam group forum.
As things have panned out my rare opportunity to drop in on the JJ won't happen tomorrow. Happy picking - perhaps my next trip through will also coincide with one of your session dates.
Scott
United States
November 5, 2007
The forum messages make a lot more sense now.
Folks, if you bookmark this link:
http://www.folkjam.org/node/4726/forum
It will take you right to our forum, you can log in right on that page and both event threads and regular discussion topic threads will be listed from newest to oldest.
If you have issues beyond that, they should be easier to explain now, so be sure to post about them.
Scott, is there any way to to have pages like the forum page have titles like "Jersey Jam Forum" rather than "Group forum|folkjam"?
It would make bookmarking clearer.
United States
March 23, 2006
Andy,
I've made a note to change the group forum title to follow the format you suggest.
I'm glad the group changes work for you. Let me know as you have other suggestions. The local area groups are prominent on the redone front page I'm now 80% done with. This will help too.
Scott
United States
November 5, 2007
See y'all soon!
United States
December 9, 2007
I guess you guys forgot about me. I'll try to make it if I can. It's hard in the summer for me to get away from my outdoor activities.
United States
November 5, 2007
Did you get all the emails?!?! We didn't get any posts from YOU!
We didn't forget Luke, either, wherever the heck he's been.
Cool picture. Hope you can make the next one.
We need to pick a date for the next one, so everyone please let me know if there's a good or bad sat in Aug for anyone.
Good seeing Stan and meeting Jay today.
Hope we'll see Jay again. Not only is he a good player, but I'll learn a lot about Linux from him. Hehe.
Among our musical endeavors today, we did Falling Slowly from the movie 'Once,' 'Nowhere Man,' 'Little Sister,' Some Clapton, and recurring favorites 'Three Marlenas' and 'What's Up.' Probably more I'm forgetting.
ApK
United States
November 19, 2007
hey..that was a fun one yesterday...a lot of good playing going on...and good ideas too...i'm going to find a fiddle dust in the wind part and check to try to find some clapton stuff for aug...so far any sat would be good...sys...stan
United States
November 19, 2007
ok i did it...and i am going to red bank today to Jack's then to the seabright drum circle. i will be looking for some violin music for pop songs. plus my turntable needle needs replacing and no-Lou we did not forget about you.